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on these pumper guys... do they selloff(go short) major shares(either their own or clients) into the hype they create?-larry livermore talks about those type of opperations occurring back in the early 1900's -so i figure the same as happening now-who was the schmuck that accussed you Timmay of secretly going long into the short hype you create??? anyhow just wondering about these chaps strategies- because larry livermore would short and go long with impunity after a stock ran one way or another-he would go long and when he felt it topped he would cash in and go short-almost helping the stock breakdown(self fullfilling prophecy)and selloff and then he would go long again after it hit bottom-he got caught with his pants down a few times(when people played crooked with him) but he timed the mkt cycles well-do these guys play these mini cycles they create!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????????????????

on these pumper guys

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HERE IS A IMPORTANT LESSON FROM LARRY LIVERMORE...

"it is well to

remember a rule of manipulation, a rule that Keene and his able

predecessors well knew. It is this: Stocks are manipulated to

the highest point possible and then sold to the public on the

way down.

Let me begin at the beginning. Assume that there is some

one -- an underwriting syndicate or a pool or an individual that

has a block of stock which it is desired to sell at the best

price possible. It is a stock duly listed on the New York Stock

Exchange. The best place for selling it ought to be the open

market, and the best buyer ought to be the general public. The

negotiations for the sale are in charge of a man. He or some

present or former associate has tried to sell the stock on the

Stock Exchange and has not succeeded. He is or soon becomes

sufficiently familiar with stock-market operations to realise

that more experience and greater aptitude for the work are

needed than he possesses. He knows personally or by hearsay

several men who have been successful in their handling of

similar deals, and he decides to avail himself of their

professional skill. He seeks one of them as he would seek a

physician if he were ill or an engineer if he needed that kind

of expert.

Suppose he has heard of me as a man who knows the game.

Well, I take it that he tries to find out all he can about me.

He then arranges for an interview, and in due time calls at my

office.

Of course, the chances are that I know about the stock and

what it represents. It is my business to know. That is how I

make my living. My visitor tells me what he and his associates

wish to do, and asks me to undertake the deal.

It is then my turn to talk. I ask for whatever information

I deem necessary to give me a clear understanding of what I am

asked to undertake. I determine the value and estimate the

market possibilities of that stock. That and my reading of

current conditions in turn help me to gauge the likelihood of

success for the proposed operation.

If my information inclines me to a favorable view I accept

the proposition and tell him then and there what my terms will

be for my services. I f he in turn accepts my terms the

honorarium and the conditions -- I begin my work at once.

I generally ask and receive calls on a block of stock. I

insist upon graduated calls as the fairest to all concerned. The

price of the call begins at a little below the prevailing market

price and goes up; say, for example, that I get calls on one

hundred thousand shares and the stock is quoted at 40. I begin

with a call for some thousands of shares at 35, another at 37,

another at 40, and at 45 and 50, and so on up to 75 or 80.

If as the result of my professional work my manipulation --

the price goes up, and if at the highest level there is a good

demand for the stock so that I can sell fair-sized blocks of it

I of course call the stock. I am making money; but so are my

clients making money. This is as it should be. If my skill is

what they are paying for they ought to get value. Of course,

there are times when a pool may be wound up at a loss, but that

is seldom, for I do not undertake the work unless I see my way

clear to a profit. This year I was not so fortunate in one or

two deals, and I did not make a profit. There are reasons, but

that is another story, to be told later perhaps.

The first step in a bull movement in a stock is to

advertise the fact that there is a bull movement on. Sounds

silly, doesn't it? Well, think a moment. It isn't as silly as it

sounded, is it? The most effective way to advertise what, in

effect, are your honourable intentions is to make the stock

active and strong. After all is said and done, the greatest

publicity agent in the wide world is the ticker, and by far the

best advertising medium is the tape. I do not need to put out

any literature for my clients. I do not have to inform the daily

press as to the value of the stock or to work the financial

reviews for notices about the company's prospects. Neither do I

have to get a following. I accomplish all these highly desirable

things by merely making the stock active. When there is activity

there is a synchronous demand for explanations; and that means,

of course, that the necessary reasons for publication supply

themselves without the slightest aid from me.

Activity is all that the floor traders ask. They will buy

or sell any stock at any level if only there is a free market

for it. They will deal in thousands of shares wherever they see

activity, and their aggregate capacity is considerable. It

necessarily happens that they constitute the manipulator's first

crop of buyers. They will follow you all the way up and they

thus are a great help at all the stages of the operation. I

understand that James R.' Keene used habitually to employ the

most active of the room traders, both to conceal the source of

the manipulation and also because he knew that they were by far

the best business-spreaders and tip-distributors. He often gave

calls to them verbal calls above the market, so that they might

do some helpful work before they could cash in. He made them

earn their profit. To get a professional following I myself have

never had to do more than to make a stock active. Traders don't

ask for more. It is well, of course, to remember that these

professionals on the floor of the Exchange buy stocks with the

intention of selling them at a profit They do not insist on its

being a big profit; but it must be a quick profit.

I make the stock active in order to draw the attention of

speculators to it, for the reasons I have given. I buy it and I

sell it and the traders follow suit. The selling pressure is not

apt to be strong where a man has as much speculatively held

stock sewed up in calls -- as I insist on having. The buying,

therefore, prevails over the selling, and the public follows the

lead not so much of the manipulator as of the room traders. It

comes in as a buyer. This highly desirable demand I fill -- that

is, I sell stock on balance. If the demand is what it ought to

be it will absorb more than the amount of stock I was compelled

to accumulate in the earlier stages of the manipulation; and

when this happens I sell the stock short that is, technically. In

other words, I sell more stock than I actually hold. It is

perfectly safe for me to do so since I am really selling against

my calls. Of course, when the demand from the public slackens,

the stock ceases to advance. Then I wait.

Say, then, that the stock has ceased to advance. There

comes a weak day. The entire market may develop a reactionary

tendency or some sharp-eyed trader my perceive that there are no

buying orders to speak of in my stock, and he sells it, and his

fellows follow. Whatever the reason may be, my stock starts to

go down. Well, I begin to buy it. I give it the support that a

stock ought to have if it is in good odour with its own

sponsors. And more: I am able to support it without accumulating

it -- that is, without increasing the amount I shall have to

sell later on. Observe that I do this without decreasing my

financial resources. Of course what I am really doing is

covering stock I sold short at higher prices when the demand

from the public or from the traders or from both enabled me to

do it. It is always well to make it plain to the traders and to

the public, also that there is a demand for the stock on the way

down. That tends to check both reckless short selling by the

professionals and liquidation by frightened holders which is the

selling you usually see when a stock gets weaker and weaker,

which in turn is what a stock does when it is not supported.

These covering purchases of mine constitute what I call the

stabilising process.

As the market broadens I of course sell stock on the way

up, but never enough to check the rise. This is in strict

accordance with my stabilising plans. It is obvious that the

more stock I sell on a reasonable and orderly advance the more I

encourage the conservative speculators, who are more numerous

than the reckless room traders; and in addition the more support

I shall be able to give to the stock on the inevitable weak

days. By always being short 'I always am in a position to

support the stock without danger to myself. As a rule I begin my

selling at a price that will show me a profit. But I often sell

without having a profit, simply to create or to increase what I

may call my risk less buying power. My business is not alone to

put up the price or to sell a big block of stock for a client

but to make money for myself. That is why I do not ask any

clients to finance my operations. My fee is contingent upon my

success.

Of course what I have described is not my invariable

practice. I neither have nor adhere to an inflexible system. I

modify my terms and conditions according to circumstances. A

stock which it is desired to distribute should be manipulated to

the highest possible point and then sold. I repeat this both

because it is fundamental and because the public apparently

believes that the selling is all done at the top. Sometimes a

stock gets waterlogged, as it were; it doesn't go up. That is

the time to sell. The price naturally will go down on your

selling rather further than you wish, but you can generally

nurse it back. As long as a stock that I am manipulating goes up

on my buying I know I am all hunky, and if need be I buy it with

confidence and use my own money without fear precisely as I

would any other stock that acts the same way. It is the line of

least resistance. You remember my trading theories about that

line, don't you? Well, when the price line of least resistance

is established I follow it, not because I am manipulating that

particular stock at that particular moment but because I am a

stock operator at all times.

When my buying does not put the stock up I stop buying and

then proceed to sell it down; and that also is exactly what I

would do with that same stock if I did not happen to be

manipulating it. The principal marketing of the stock, as you

know, is done on the way down. It is perfectly astonishing how

much stock a man can get rid of on a decline.

I repeat that at no time during the manipulation do I

forget to be a stock trader. My problems as a manipulator, after

all, are the same that confront me as an operator. All manipulation

comes to an end when the manipulator cannot make a stock

do what he wants it to do. When the stock you are manipulating

doesn't act as it should, quit. Don't argue with the tape. Do

not seek to lure the profit back. Quit while the quitting is

good and cheap." end quote-

great stuff 101 for the course!!!

who knows exactly what they do, it's impossible to ever really tell...just stick by the charts and check out my new post:

http://www.timothysykes.com/2008/06/08/who-is-f...

Watched all Tim's youtube video's on the net. It's great when Tim recites the symbol without the company's name and the host gets annoyed. They just don't GET IT. The company doesn't matter! We are trying to make money!

Same thing here, it doesn't matter what these pumper and dumpers are really doing unless your aim is to become one of them. All that matters is that you can profit from them if you know what to look for and have discipline.

After watching Tim's HYGS trade in real time, I am a believer. Buy his DVD and alerts, and get a thinkorswim account.